Flying the disk

[gitbse]

Well said.

[CalRotor]

OMG, gitbse I love your long posts - you explain well - but your latest has to be your shortest!

[gitbse]

Nope.

[gitbse]

^That one is.

lol



Thank you though.

[RogerRabit]

Good one.

But you could have been two letters shorter . No(pe)

[AcidDrink]

Set the blades to 5% visibility in the sim, it's much more realistic this way.
IRL, put some reflective stickers on the blades.

[aterren]

This is one of the better orientation threads I have read.

[HeliLuddite]

After rereading this thread I think I am going to invest in some coloured blades(i only have black). Any recommendations from those in the know as to which colour/s would be best for indoor and outdoor work?

[dave21740]

Great explanations of flying the disc here! I'm going to fire up the sim and see if anything clicks now.

I had a "click" moment last week. Backwards flight has always been a weakness for me, whether upright or inverted. I kept trying to fly either the nose or the tail, and neither was working for me. What suddenly clicked was when I stopped concentrating on the nose or the tail specifically. Instead, I looked at the body as a whole and how I needed to rotate it CW or CCW to keep it orientated the way I wanted in the direction of flight. That worked whether I was keeping the nose first, tail first, right side first, or whatever. Zeroing in on the nose or tail and trying to fly it seemed to make it more complicated than my brain could handle. Stepping back and looking at the body as a whole was what worked for me. The tail or nose itself is secondary.

It seems like backward flight is not a problem for most people, but man it has been an achilles heel for me since I first tried it. I'm really excited about seeing if I get a similar click when I go to the sim and try out some of the ideas I've read here.

[RogerRabit]

Cw is allways the same regardless if you fly forward, backward sideways...
Only if skids are pointing to the sky it reverses ( but only from your viewpoint )
In reference frame of the heli it allways stays the same.

[aterren]

Originally Posted by RogerRabit

Cw is allways the same regardless if you fly forward, backward sideways...
Only if skids are pointing to the sky it reverses ( but only from your viewpoint )
In reference frame of the heli it allways stays the same.

You make it sound so easy! Im still struggling with never making mistakes on the orientation. I find that on the sim i am at an ok level with my piro circles and forward / reverse flight, skids up and down but much less confident in real life because i make mistakes and correce rhe wron way 1 of 20 times and normally can correct but it is ugly. I think this needs to be 1 of 200. Before i can get to the next leve

I hope that spending more time on the disk will help.

[RogerRabit]

It is that easy.

But it needs some (booring?) excercises to come there

Look at the clock hovering training. I posted it somewhere.

It gets ALL orientations into your brain.
I would suggest it today to beginners even before the first ff's.
After that there is no possible orientation your brain can't handle.
You just swing the tail to any direction and the brain locks in again subconcious.
Once you have that down skids down inverted is fairly easier.
Brain cathes the ideas fast.

It is the key to all pirostuff also.

[aterren]

Originally Posted by RogerRabit

It is that easy.

But it needs some (booring?) excercises to come there

The training isn't boring. Are you familiar with the Real Flight hover orientation trainer? I've been through level 26 (upright and inverted), now practice for speed and smoothness. It is a somewhat regular part of my practice. That said I was in a simple over and gave the wrong correction and nosed in a Protos 500 a few weeks ago.

It's been a challenging mind game ever since! Second guessing my first response when I know that...even if the first response is wrong I an correct it without drama. It still isn't really 100% an engrained reflex but I will win this battle.

[HeliLuddite]

Originally Posted by aterren

I'm still struggling with never making mistakes on the orientation.

Maybe my Dumb Thumb Game may help. It has worked for me.

[RogerRabit]

Originally Posted by aterren

The training isn't boring. Are you familiar with the Real Flight hover orientation trainer? I've been through level 26 (upright and inverted), now practice for speed and smoothness. It is a somewhat regular part of my practice. That said I was in a simple over and gave the wrong correction and nosed in a Protos 500 a few weeks ago.

It's been a challenging mind game ever since! Second guessing my first response when I know that...even if the first response is wrong I an correct it without drama. It still isn't really 100% an engrained reflex but I will win this battle.

i have real flight 6.5
Never used the hover thrainer

I have some F3C flags set up in the garden.
In realflight i have problems with the third dimension.
I would need some 3d glasses and a lot higher resolution.
I did put it on a 3m diagonal screen but the resolution is too low.

Even in the winter i like to go out instead of realflight.

I would love to teach and learn with someone in a server session but mostly it is drifting into "i throw he heli arround in the sky" actions from participants.

[HeliLuddite]

Originally Posted by RogerRabit

In realflight i have problems with the third dimension.

I have the same thing in Phoenix

[ArchmageAU]

Originally Posted by HeliLuddite

I have the same thing in Phoenix

This is normal for sim. I have trouble with it in Heli-X too.

Having late diagnosed Amblyopia (meaning non-correctable), I have limited instantaneous depth perception in real life too. This is why I was unable to try for a commercial pilots license (so I never went through the expense of a private license). RC is the closes I get to be in control when flying.

Hopefully this will not cause issues in progressing F3C style flying. I do have difficulty working out whether I am over the circle/flag (especially side on), I can be a couple meters short or long. I put this down to inexperience rather than depth perception though.

[dannylightning]

Learn things on the sim,, perfect it on the real thing, the sim is a learning too but not accurate to life

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[RogerRabit]

@ArchmageAU
I have the same. I am weaker on the left eye.

We only can compensate by excercise

One tip - try not to hover and piro over the flag but hover a nose in circle arround the flag to have more guides to your brain first.
Make it very small, so that the skds touch the flag nearly.
Then go up a meter, do the same, down, the same, e.g.

Helped me.

@danny

I use the sim a lot in 3d to get certain imprecisions out .
But for F3C i found it not really usefull.

It helps you to sort the stick motions, but not how to place the figures..

I really would like to try 3d glasses on a sim.