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Magnazan · 07-03-2013, 02:26 AM

More reliable phasing? The only thing I've seen on the Compass heads is the tube being off slightly causing phasing issues. Other than that I dunno.

dannylightning · 07-03-2013, 07:00 AM

i hear some folks think the head is slow, maybe it will make cyclic faster..

Jeff_Barrett · 07-03-2013, 07:27 AM

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GimpyGolden · 07-03-2013, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DannyvG

Perhaps they simply hope to appeal to a wider public or it really does fly better or just different?

I think you nailed it there Danny.
I can't imagine 7Hv flying any better, but if it does I'm down.

heathy · 07-03-2013, 05:14 PM

Lol. " poo sex". Not heard it called that before, epic.

snaaakeey · 07-04-2013, 03:48 AM

Sex with a bear!? That's just wrong. Personally i like to call it dropping anchor in poo bay......... Eg " I have had a wonderful evening darling. Perhaps we might retreat to the bedroom as I feel it is time to drop anchor in poo bay"

A lot of top pilots are saying they prefer the wash follower arrangement over compass/dfc although no one I know of has been quoted as saying that they can tell the difference. Seems like a perceived issue off inaccurate phasing under high loads. its a new fad or trend which compass are filling to keep up this the market. The last episode of smack talk went into this with a prediction that the hole market will move away from compass/ dfc style head towards wash follower/something else styles. I can't see an issue but until I try a wash follower ill reserve the right to change my mind!

Poor poor Winnie! You'll be after Eeyore next !

TheBum · 07-08-2013, 02:00 PM

A buddy of mine has been machining aluminum rods for the FBL links and providing them to some pilots who were complaining of the phasing. Wilson Miller is one of them and he reported that the new rods completely solved the issue for him. My buddy isn't interested in making it a business though, just helping out friends, but I'm sure some other enterprising individual could make a business out of it.

crf69 · 07-09-2013, 03:33 AM

a warp style head would be cool.

Sent from my Compass7HV while in an inverted tail-in hurricane.

GimpyGolden · 07-09-2013, 08:36 AM

And more than a little bit scary on a 700. Not sure the design would scale up well.
I can see it on a 500 but not bigger.

Raz0rSh4rp · 07-09-2013, 10:49 AM

I was thinking of it the other day. I think true 500 is as big as you could go with CF blade retainers. Problem is you need the CF for the flapping... or a hybrid that has a dampened spindle.

dannylightning · 07-10-2013, 04:21 AM

My buddy has been flying since the 70, s he said there was a 700 that had a head simular to the warp at one time and it worked very well but it never got popular, seems kind of scarry to me. I wiuld think at the heas speed people run these days blades would go flying

Sent from my GT-P3113 using Tapatalk 2

crf69 · 07-10-2013, 05:28 AM

the carbon would have to be pretty thick i would imagine.

Sent from my Compass7HV while in an inverted tail-in hurricane.

GimpyGolden · 07-10-2013, 08:17 AM

I think head speed is the key, these days the "norm" on a 700 is 2100, back a few years you'd think 1900 was nuts.

R90 was and maybe still is running plastic grips... crazy I know

lazor 22 · 07-10-2013, 10:57 AM

I'd never put a aluminum "dfc" link on a 700. As far as I know geometry is the same as the current head so it won't be any faster. Just a option for people that want a regular head. The new head looks very cool though. still very much compass styled.

prototype3a · 07-10-2013, 12:40 PM

I see nothing wrong with plastic grips or carbon fiber grips on a 700. Remember that the blades are carbon fiber as well and they don't seem to explode.

However, a fully rigid head like what is on the Warp might not work so well with the extremely stiff blades that are common today.

As with most things, it just has to be engineered thoughtfully and carefully.

Magnazan · 07-10-2013, 02:51 PM

Isn't the TDR a rigid head?

prototype3a · 07-10-2013, 03:39 PM

The TDR head is not fully rigid and is able to feather. I actually downloaded the TDR manual a while back to see how the head was designed.

heathy · 07-10-2013, 05:55 PM

I saw another option to the new head at helimasters this weekend. Sebastian showed me what I can only describe as a monster delrin version of the currant set up. It was white in colour for the purpose of testing to see cracks, production ones will be black.

It was chunky at the top and thinner near the bottom. I didn't get any pics I'm afraid.

GimpyGolden · 07-10-2013, 06:41 PM

Heathy, what was Delrin the head block?

TheBum · 07-10-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GimpyGolden

Heathy, what was Delrin the head block?

I interpreted it as the links being beefier.

07-03-2013, 02:26 AM	#21 (permalink)
Magnazan Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2007	More reliable phasing? The only thing I've seen on the Compass heads is the tube being off slightly causing phasing issues. Other than that I dunno. __________________ Ian 7HV ULT TracX \| 550U TracX \| DX9 NZ Heli thread - https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=480630

07-03-2013, 07:00 AM	#22 (permalink)
dannylightning Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2010	i hear some folks think the head is slow, maybe it will make cyclic faster.. __________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Blade 180 CFX, Sold the rest of my stuff, I dont really fly all that often any more.

07-03-2013, 05:14 PM	#25 (permalink)
heathy Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2010	New Head? Lol. " poo sex". Not heard it called that before, epic. __________________ Oxy 3 SK540 Minijazz 20 / WARP 360 SK540 Koby 55 / Goblin 500 SK540 jive 100 / 6HV ultimate Helijive120 SK540 / 7HV SK540 Kosmik200 / Futaba18mz / Skookum support rep

07-04-2013, 03:48 AM	#26 (permalink)
snaaakeey Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2010	New Head? Sex with a bear!? That's just wrong. Personally i like to call it dropping anchor in poo bay......... Eg " I have had a wonderful evening darling. Perhaps we might retreat to the bedroom as I feel it is time to drop anchor in poo bay" A lot of top pilots are saying they prefer the wash follower arrangement over compass/dfc although no one I know of has been quoted as saying that they can tell the difference. Seems like a perceived issue off inaccurate phasing under high loads. its a new fad or trend which compass are filling to keep up this the market. The last episode of smack talk went into this with a prediction that the hole market will move away from compass/ dfc style head towards wash follower/something else styles. I can't see an issue but until I try a wash follower ill reserve the right to change my mind! Poor poor Winnie! You'll be after Eeyore next ! __________________ 6hv (fb) 7hv DX8

07-08-2013, 02:00 PM	#27 (permalink)
TheBum HF Support My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2007	A buddy of mine has been machining aluminum rods for the FBL links and providing them to some pilots who were complaining of the phasing. Wilson Miller is one of them and he reported that the new rods completely solved the issue for him. My buddy isn't interested in making it a business though, just helping out friends, but I'm sure some other enterprising individual could make a business out of it. __________________ Alan (just call me "Bum"; no need to be so formal) HeliFreak Support Protos Max Evo 700 (Brain 2), Protos Max V2 770 (iKON 2), Synergy 516 (Brain 2), Oxy 2 (Falcon 12) Graupner MZ-32 Experience is something you gain only after you need it. I wouldn't mind social media so much if it didn't involve people.

07-09-2013, 03:33 AM	#28 (permalink)
crf69 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2011	Re: New Head? a warp style head would be cool. Sent from my Compass7HV while in an inverted tail-in hurricane. __________________ you should look into it...........

07-09-2013, 08:36 AM	#29 (permalink)
GimpyGolden Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2009	And more than a little bit scary on a 700. Not sure the design would scale up well. I can see it on a 500 but not bigger. __________________ Scott Team RotorQuest

07-09-2013, 10:49 AM	#30 (permalink)
Raz0rSh4rp Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2012	I was thinking of it the other day. I think true 500 is as big as you could go with CF blade retainers. Problem is you need the CF for the flapping... or a hybrid that has a dampened spindle. __________________ NX4\|Tri-Chronos\|Chronos\|7NT\|Specter700 Saje Marvin - Citizen 125

07-10-2013, 04:21 AM	#31 (permalink)
dannylightning Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2010	Re: New Head? My buddy has been flying since the 70, s he said there was a 700 that had a head simular to the warp at one time and it worked very well but it never got popular, seems kind of scarry to me. I wiuld think at the heas speed people run these days blades would go flying Sent from my GT-P3113 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Blade 180 CFX, Sold the rest of my stuff, I dont really fly all that often any more.

07-10-2013, 05:28 AM	#32 (permalink)
crf69 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2011	Re: New Head? the carbon would have to be pretty thick i would imagine. Sent from my Compass7HV while in an inverted tail-in hurricane. __________________ you should look into it...........

07-10-2013, 08:17 AM	#33 (permalink)
GimpyGolden Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2009	I think head speed is the key, these days the "norm" on a 700 is 2100, back a few years you'd think 1900 was nuts. R90 was and maybe still is running plastic grips... crazy I know __________________ Scott Team RotorQuest

07-10-2013, 10:57 AM	#34 (permalink)
lazor 22 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Apr 2010	I'd never put a aluminum "dfc" link on a 700. As far as I know geometry is the same as the current head so it won't be any faster. Just a option for people that want a regular head. The new head looks very cool though. still very much compass styled. __________________ Lincoln #HIGHONHELIS ):> Pull Hard RCHO Flying Field, Knightdale NC

07-10-2013, 12:40 PM	#35 (permalink)
prototype3a Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chrisitansburg VA USA	I see nothing wrong with plastic grips or carbon fiber grips on a 700. Remember that the blades are carbon fiber as well and they don't seem to explode. However, a fully rigid head like what is on the Warp might not work so well with the extremely stiff blades that are common today. As with most things, it just has to be engineered thoughtfully and carefully. __________________ Jeti DS14us -- TT e700 -- 6s Logo600se UL -- Logo600-3d -- Logo500 UL -- Charge Case

07-10-2013, 02:51 PM	#36 (permalink)
Magnazan Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2007	Isn't the TDR a rigid head? __________________ Ian 7HV ULT TracX \| 550U TracX \| DX9 NZ Heli thread - https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=480630

07-10-2013, 03:39 PM	#37 (permalink)
prototype3a Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chrisitansburg VA USA	The TDR head is not fully rigid and is able to feather. I actually downloaded the TDR manual a while back to see how the head was designed. __________________ Jeti DS14us -- TT e700 -- 6s Logo600se UL -- Logo600-3d -- Logo500 UL -- Charge Case

07-10-2013, 05:55 PM	#38 (permalink)
heathy Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2010	New Head? I saw another option to the new head at helimasters this weekend. Sebastian showed me what I can only describe as a monster delrin version of the currant set up. It was white in colour for the purpose of testing to see cracks, production ones will be black. It was chunky at the top and thinner near the bottom. I didn't get any pics I'm afraid. __________________ Oxy 3 SK540 Minijazz 20 / WARP 360 SK540 Koby 55 / Goblin 500 SK540 jive 100 / 6HV ultimate Helijive120 SK540 / 7HV SK540 Kosmik200 / Futaba18mz / Skookum support rep

07-10-2013, 06:41 PM	#39 (permalink)
GimpyGolden Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2009	Heathy, what was Delrin the head block? __________________ Scott Team RotorQuest

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