Set up for beginner

[maliboy67]

I just got Phoenix and want to set it up for hovering orientation. I want to use a large heli as the micros are hard to see. All the large helis including the trainers are much harder to control. Any set up advice would be appreciated.

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[LN400]

First, all collective pitch helis are hard to learn to fly. Second: Stick to them nonetheless.

Ok, the sim: Have you properly calibrated the transmitter so that the channel signal bars in the sim move smoothly from 0 to 100?

Next: All cp helis are tricky but some are less tricky than others. Most aerobatic helis in the sim have 2 or 3 variants, look for the "sport" variants. These sport variants are less agile than the fully fledged overpowered 3d demon helis. Don't worry if the model you fly in the sim isn't what you fly for real. Just pick a sport variant and stick to it until you're ready to up the challenge.

Use expo to your advantage, either in the sim or on the tx. Find an expo value that you're comfy with.

You can edit any heli. The stock model will still be stock but you now get a copy of that model to edit to your liking. Have a look at the model edit menu. It is arguably the most powerful tool in the sim, and the most complex one.

Just a few thoughts for starters. Feel free to ask more questions but most of all, happy flying!

[maliboy67]

I was practising with a 130x but decided to sell it and get the sim. I am building a 550 and want to learn as much as possible before it is done. My TX calibration is good and I have changed the rate and expo settings in the model set up. I guess I just need to keep at it and get used to the sim. Thanks for the advice. Also the response to input is so much different than the 130 I just have to figure it out.

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[lcc014]

Originally Posted by LN400

First, all collective pitch helis are hard to learn to fly. Second: Stick to them nonetheless.

Ok, the sim: Have you properly calibrated the transmitter so that the channel signal bars in the sim move smoothly from 0 to 100?

Next: All cp helis are tricky but some are less tricky than others. Most aerobatic helis in the sim have 2 or 3 variants, look for the "sport" variants. These sport variants are less agile than the fully fledged overpowered 3d demon helis. Don't worry if the model you fly in the sim isn't what you fly for real. Just pick a sport variant and stick to it until you're ready to up the challenge.

Use expo to your advantage, either in the sim or on the tx. Find an expo value that you're comfy with.

You can edit any heli. The stock model will still be stock but you now get a copy of that model to edit to your liking. Have a look at the model edit menu. It is arguably the most powerful tool in the sim, and the most complex one.

Just a few thoughts for starters. Feel free to ask more questions but most of all, happy flying!

So we can either change the expo and end points in TX or sim model ? What about the throttle curve and pitch curve, do the sim program use the curves setup in TX ?

Thanks,

[maliboy67]

You can set up the curves, rate and expo with the sim or use the settings in your radio. Read the sticky at the beginning of this forum it explains about the setup.

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[CrashNburn420]

I leave the radio settings alone and setup the expo inside the sim for each model.

[maliboy67]

That is what I have done as well.

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[Whomprat]

I learned with the avant 700 on phoenix. I never tweaked it so I could see every little move. Seemed to work fine. Learned to inverted hover in only 1 hour...err..month..

[lcc014]

Originally Posted by maliboy67

That is what I have done as well.

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So, sim program will ignore TX settings and uses it's settings for user to learn ?

[maliboy67]

I made a new model memory and set it up as a heli and set the swash to 90 degree. Other than that it was left alone as default. All my settings are changed with Phoenix.

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[WhoUtink]

Just keep crashing. I Couldn't keep control of any heli in the sim that I tried. It took me atleast 45 minutes of air time, to accomplish a fLight that lasted more than a few seconds. That is a lot of crashing. My flight log says something like 400 flight s With 390 crashes. Lol. Just keep crashing.

Use the mouse wheel to zoom in tight, and when you take off, pop the heli up high. That will give a little more air time, to feel out the controls before you crash.

Sometimes the bigger the heli the easier To fly. Go the big ones, that are sport models like mentioned above.

[lcc014]

Originally Posted by maliboy67

I made a new model memory and set it up as a heli and set the swash to 90 degree. Other than that it was left alone as default. All my settings are changed with Phoenix.

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Understand now. One more question, why set swashplate to 90 degree in new model memory ?

Thanks.

[whitehedr]

You can tame the Heli down by going into main rotor setup. Change the min pitch to -3, mid pitch to +3, and max pitch to +8.

This will help tremendously.

Also I found that pinching the sticks rather than thumbing gave "me" finer control.

If these tips don't help you could also go into the physical setup menu and slow the simulator down. This is a last resort adjustment though.

ROG

[destroyerbmx]

Edit your setting and do whatever you need to learn to hover. After that point you should be flying with a full set up for either scale or 3d, whichever you are wanting to do. This will help you later in life when you step up to circuits, flips and rolls. You want to be learning as quick as you can with your actual settings so your thumbs dont remember false spots for the sticks. When things get crazy and some money is about to be lost your hands do odd things. You want them to go to the proper positions when you are under stress and instinct is taking over.

As for Pinch vs Thumb...Pinch gives me a more controlled slower 3d in the sim, cant even start to fly with the pinch on my real heli. As to which is better, no concern, do what you feel is natural because there are top pros who pinch and thumb.

1 Servo 90 Degrees set in the TX is for the sim to interpet your pitch channel or "collective." With out this the sim would not know when you are trying to add more pitch.

[lcc014]

Originally Posted by destroyerbmx

Edit your setting and do whatever you need to learn to hover. After that point you should be flying with a full set up for either scale or 3d, whichever you are wanting to do. This will help you later in life when you step up to circuits, flips and rolls. You want to be learning as quick as you can with your actual settings so your thumbs dont remember false spots for the sticks. When things get crazy and some money is about to be lost your hands do odd things. You want them to go to the proper positions when you are under stress and instinct is taking over.

As for Pinch vs Thumb...Pinch gives me a more controlled slower 3d in the sim, cant even start to fly with the pinch on my real heli. As to which is better, no concern, do what you feel is natural because there are top pros who pinch and thumb.

1 Servo 90 Degrees set in the TX is for the sim to interpet your pitch channel or "collective." With out this the sim would not know when you are trying to add more pitch.

Thanks for the explanation.