Modifying 3G for better performance - Page 3

jondabear · 10-14-2010, 08:28 PM

Out of all the REGULAR stuff that i could pick from, Id say GOOP adhesive is about the closest thing to what Im using. PEACE!( goop is Denser, heavier and dries a little more firmly than silly cones!)

ForceFedDSM · 10-14-2010, 08:41 PM

I can't wait to try my heli now. I modded my 250 already and I did the LHS owners 700 tonight. We have some bad weather the next few days...so it might be a bit before I get to try it

mickeyjohnston · 10-14-2010, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jondabear

No pics or vid YET.

BUT..............Holy son of a CRA%!

This mod is AMAZING on my 700. Didnt change a thing!

Heres a quick run down, Feels MORE locked in, ALOT more locked in. Helped with Cyclic movements. I make an input and....its THERE!.
Even helped with my PITCH. Thought I was just runnung a rich motor and didnt have alot of punch. With this mod AND my heli running 180 f i now have morre punch out than ive ever experienced.

THIS might be our holy grail guys!

Weird what a good sensor will do when its not fighting vibes!

VERY VERY happy with my results. wish I had tried this a LONG time ago. PEACE!

:YeaBaby :

If you havent already try turning up your swash return speed to 70.

mikejr718 · 10-14-2010, 09:13 PM

Flew my velocity with the 3g some more tonite and am still thrilled about how much better it flies.. Its not just a little better, its game changing better!

I took apart the sensor on my 700e tonite to mod it and found it already had some adhesive behind the pins? It was spread across to the sensor mounted flat on the board. Makes me wonder if this hasnt been in the works for a while.

salmonson63 · 10-14-2010, 09:46 PM

Getting ready to do this. Do I need silicon or will shoe goo work or either.

jondabear · 10-14-2010, 09:53 PM

goop.

jondabear · 10-14-2010, 09:54 PM

Swash return is at 55.

Leon Luke · 10-14-2010, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jondabear

No pics or vid YET.

BUT..............Holy son of a CRA%!

This mod is AMAZING on my 700. Didnt change a thing!

Heres a quick run down, Feels MORE locked in, ALOT more locked in. Helped with Cyclic movements. I make an input and....its THERE!.
Even helped with my PITCH. Thought I was just runnung a rich motor and didnt have alot of punch. With this mod AND my heli running 180 f i now have morre punch out than ive ever experienced.

THIS might be our holy grail guys!

Weird what a good sensor will do when its not fighting vibes!

VERY VERY happy with my results. wish I had tried this a LONG time ago. PEACE!

:YeaBaby :

Glad to see another satisfied with the mod!

HiroboFreak · 10-14-2010, 10:31 PM

Hmmmmm,

Should I or shouldn't I?

zoomtt · 10-14-2010, 10:54 PM

I am doing this mod once I go pickup some goop. Overnight is enough time to dry?

daveblazer · 10-14-2010, 11:10 PM

well took the plunge in to this mod took some pictures and will have results tommarow on a 450 pro cleaning that conector out was fun

the tooth pick man is gunna like me this month this thing feels a lot heaver now lot's of mass well that's all for this experiment till we try it

simonf123 · 10-14-2010, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corrari

Does it have to be a certain type of silicon? I am a plumber and have roof and gutter silicon and bathroom silicon on hand.

you need silicone that is non corrosive, neutral cure

jondabear · 10-14-2010, 11:27 PM

Neutral cure...Is that noncorrosive? Ive seen that stuff when I looked for this e6000 at the electronics store. Didnt know what it was for.

jondabear · 10-14-2010, 11:35 PM

DO IT HIROBO.....its what weve been after for soo long.....well , at least most of it.

I still believe that ALL the answers to my 3D questions are at the bottom of a 300 gallon vat of NITRO fuel. PEACE!

HiroboFreak · 10-14-2010, 11:44 PM

Mine are performing well, but I'm keen to see what you're so excited about Jon.

I've just modded both my 700n & 550e.
I've removed the tabs on the case too as I feel they would most likely transmit vibes.

In the process I found something interesting....

My 700n sensor was originally V1 before I flashed it to V2.1, my 550e sensor is factory V2.1
The cyclic sensors on the 550e have metal attenuation plates attached, the 700n cyclic sensors don't.

This shows that Align are listening, and, V2.1 is more than just a firmware upgrade.

akamullen · 10-14-2010, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiroboFreak

Mine are performing well, but I'm keen to see what you're so excited about Jon.

I've just modded both my 700n & 550e.
I've removed the tabs on the case too as I feel they would most likely transmit vibes.

In the process I found something intereting....

My 700n sensor was originally V1 before I flashed it to V2.1, my 550e sensor is factory V2.1
The cyclic sensors on the 550e have metal attenuation plates attached, the 700n cyclic sensors don't.

This shows that Align are listening, and, V2.1 is more than just a firmware upgrade.

VERY INTERESTING INDEED!! So by doing this mod were extending the vibration attenuation plates so they are MUCH heavier and have more mass..... I also agree about the 2 tabs transmitting vibs, Thats the first thing I thought of when I took it apart. Got rid of mine as well. Insted of Glue or silicone I went with a gel tape fitted in-between the sensors. Cut it into a cube and seems to work. The gel tape I am using is the K10457A Align PU Adhesive Gel

Same principle different material. I used the blue align gel tape. cut it so there is a tiny bit of pressure when I put the case back togather, holding the sensors and gel tape in place. I have a couple more sensors to do so I will take photos when I do another one. Made my 250 fly WAY better... cant wait to test on my other machines...

Canadian Man · 10-15-2010, 07:44 AM

Well my report:

This mod is a night and day difference.! My tail wag is gone. No bobbing. I copied leon's settings from the screen except my aile and elev gains were not as high of a final number.

the heli feels more locked in. A bit more soft feeling. Fly's kinda more like a flybar heli but has the locked in part of a flybar less system.

GREAT MOD!

mikejr718 · 10-15-2010, 11:18 AM

Finished the mod on my 700e 3g last nite and flew it this am. It took less than 15 min including reprogramming the 3g unit. Found the same drastic improvement. If you have flown the 3g and dont like it or have taken it off I encourage you to give it another chance, the improvement is that drastic. On my 700e I can now do tic tocs where the heli stays stationary and it just rocks back and forth like its pivoting on a point close to the main shaft-really cool. No tail kicks at all(I always thought they were vibration related)

I hope anyone comparing flybarless systems does this mod before they compare systems. It makes that much of a difference.

I also think that the sensitivity to what tape is used and how the sensor is mounted are related to vibration entering the unit. The whole tape issue was a symptom of the problem, not a real solution-just a band-aid. Time will tell but I think with this mod that how the sensor is mounted will become much less critical.

THANK YOU LEON FOR SHARING THIS MOD.

jondabear · 10-15-2010, 11:49 AM

Dont know about everyone else but.... i think this thread should be a STICKY!

How bout it mods? This mod has changed our 3g experience entirely. VERY few things have ever done this with our systems.

Thanx.PEACE!

jondabear · 10-15-2010, 11:51 AM

Speaking about tapes and such....Im about to REMOVE the plate and go with just a single piece of 4010 w no strap. Ill report back later.

10-14-2010, 09:46 PM	#45
salmonson63 Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bellingham, Washington	Getting ready to do this. Do I need silicon or will shoe goo work or either. __________________ Team RC Heli Nation / Team Compass / Team Scorpion / Team Gens Ace 7HV, Warp 360, N5c

10-14-2010, 10:31 PM	#49
HiroboFreak Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Coast NSW Australia	Hmmmmm, Should I or shouldn't I? __________________ T-rex 700n VBar 5.3 Pro \| T-rex 700e V3 VBar 5.3 Pro To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| JR DSX9 Limited Team RCBits \| Team Lynx

10-14-2010, 10:54 PM	#50
zoomtt Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Corona, CA	I am doing this mod once I go pickup some goop. Overnight is enough time to dry? __________________ Edsel Labao TEAM HORIZON HOBBY Blade Helicopters - Spektrum - Revolution

10-14-2010, 11:10 PM	#51
daveblazer Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Joliet Illinois	well took the plunge in to this mod took some pictures and will have results tommarow on a 450 pro cleaning that conector out was fun the tooth pick man is gunna like me this month this thing feels a lot heaver now lot's of mass well that's all for this experiment till we try it Attached Thumbnails

10-14-2010, 11:44 PM	#55
HiroboFreak Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Coast NSW Australia	Mine are performing well, but I'm keen to see what you're so excited about Jon. I've just modded both my 700n & 550e. I've removed the tabs on the case too as I feel they would most likely transmit vibes. In the process I found something interesting.... My 700n sensor was originally V1 before I flashed it to V2.1, my 550e sensor is factory V2.1 The cyclic sensors on the 550e have metal attenuation plates attached, the 700n cyclic sensors don't. This shows that Align are listening, and, V2.1 is more than just a firmware upgrade. __________________ T-rex 700n VBar 5.3 Pro \| T-rex 700e V3 VBar 5.3 Pro To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| JR DSX9 Limited Team RCBits \| Team Lynx

10-14-2010, 08:28 PM	#41
jondabear Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Antonio tx.	Out of all the REGULAR stuff that i could pick from, Id say GOOP adhesive is about the closest thing to what Im using. PEACE!( goop is Denser, heavier and dries a little more firmly than silly cones!)

10-14-2010, 08:41 PM	#42
ForceFedDSM Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2008	I can't wait to try my heli now. I modded my 250 already and I did the LHS owners 700 tonight. We have some bad weather the next few days...so it might be a bit before I get to try it

10-14-2010, 09:13 PM	#44
mikejr718 Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Omaha, NE	Flew my velocity with the 3g some more tonite and am still thrilled about how much better it flies.. Its not just a little better, its game changing better! I took apart the sensor on my 700e tonite to mod it and found it already had some adhesive behind the pins? It was spread across to the sensor mounted flat on the board. Makes me wonder if this hasnt been in the works for a while.

10-14-2010, 09:53 PM	#46
jondabear Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Antonio tx.	goop.

10-14-2010, 09:54 PM	#47
jondabear Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Antonio tx.	Swash return is at 55.

10-14-2010, 11:27 PM	#53
jondabear Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Antonio tx.	Neutral cure...Is that noncorrosive? Ive seen that stuff when I looked for this e6000 at the electronics store. Didnt know what it was for.

10-14-2010, 11:35 PM	#54
jondabear Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Antonio tx.	DO IT HIROBO.....its what weve been after for soo long.....well , at least most of it. I still believe that ALL the answers to my 3D questions are at the bottom of a 300 gallon vat of NITRO fuel. PEACE!

10-15-2010, 07:44 AM	#57
Canadian Man Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada	Well my report: This mod is a night and day difference.! My tail wag is gone. No bobbing. I copied leon's settings from the screen except my aile and elev gains were not as high of a final number. the heli feels more locked in. A bit more soft feeling. Fly's kinda more like a flybar heli but has the locked in part of a flybar less system. GREAT MOD! __________________ Trex 700 velocity 50 trex 450

10-15-2010, 11:18 AM	#58
mikejr718 Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Omaha, NE	Finished the mod on my 700e 3g last nite and flew it this am. It took less than 15 min including reprogramming the 3g unit. Found the same drastic improvement. If you have flown the 3g and dont like it or have taken it off I encourage you to give it another chance, the improvement is that drastic. On my 700e I can now do tic tocs where the heli stays stationary and it just rocks back and forth like its pivoting on a point close to the main shaft-really cool. No tail kicks at all(I always thought they were vibration related) I hope anyone comparing flybarless systems does this mod before they compare systems. It makes that much of a difference. I also think that the sensitivity to what tape is used and how the sensor is mounted are related to vibration entering the unit. The whole tape issue was a symptom of the problem, not a real solution-just a band-aid. Time will tell but I think with this mod that how the sensor is mounted will become much less critical. THANK YOU LEON FOR SHARING THIS MOD.

10-15-2010, 11:49 AM	#59
jondabear Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Antonio tx.	Dont know about everyone else but.... i think this thread should be a STICKY! How bout it mods? This mod has changed our 3g experience entirely. VERY few things have ever done this with our systems. Thanx.PEACE!

10-15-2010, 11:51 AM	#60
jondabear Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Antonio tx.	Speaking about tapes and such....Im about to REMOVE the plate and go with just a single piece of 4010 w no strap. Ill report back later.

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