weird scratching noise when using starter

rekilf · 01-21-2011, 05:22 PM

can anyone help when i turn the engine over in my velo 50 it makes a weird scratching noise
what could it be i have checked everything the problem still stays but when turned over by hand there is no noise i am stumped can anyone help.

papaduke187 · 01-21-2011, 07:09 PM

is the engine making the noise or is the noise coming from outside the engine?

kazager · 01-21-2011, 08:36 PM

spin the clutch bell, I've heard that noise when the engine is too high. top of the clutch rubbing the inside top of the bell. otherwise maybe a slipping oneway bearing in the clutch?

crashagain · 01-21-2011, 10:41 PM

I have had this happen twice to me.
Once when I did not have the clutch bell assembly lined up correctly with the motor.
The second time was after getting a new clutch, it had a bad one way bearing in it and made all kinds of noise no matter what I did for alignment. Had to put in a new bearing and it works great now..

rekilf · 01-22-2011, 05:07 AM

i have spun the clutch bell and cant hear anything its not the engine as i stripped it down before i fitted it and there was nothing wrong with it . i am gonna take it apart and check the oneway bearing again.

sacko · 01-22-2011, 08:45 AM

Yup, one way bearing.

Had to change both of mine now on the Velo, not impressed at all.

rekilf · 01-22-2011, 01:47 PM

check it over and yes yet again the oneway bearing had gone again so i have changed it and the noise has gone

kazager · 01-22-2011, 04:41 PM

are you, or how are you, lubricating the clutch OWB? What starter and engine do you have? I had an Align starter and a KME 60 that was torching OWB's in the clutch, that starter spun too slow to handle the compression cycle (load-unload...) Once I switched to a stronger starter it no longer "hammered" the bearing.

rekilf · 01-23-2011, 04:19 PM

i am using tri flow grease and i am also using an align starter i the engine i have init is a ys 50

4 stroke flyer · 01-25-2011, 09:00 AM

I have the same heli and motor combo. I had what I believe is the same sound you are describing. It eventually got worse and I found that my main bearing in the engine was the problem.

ClayK · 02-04-2011, 11:15 AM

Engine bearings
Fan in the shroud, or shroud alignment
Clutch bell alignment
One-way bearing
Gear mesh/alignment

Those should be your typical culprits for noise in that area.

sinbad50 · 02-06-2011, 03:43 PM

You will fint the starter shaft is a little to tight in one way , picks the bearing up and makes it scream, Check to see the clutch is free when turning shaft, I turned my starter shaft down a size so that when its located in the one way it has a little play, aka Trex 600. Outrage say the "new one way" sorts it but thats a load of tosh as the part number on the bearing shell is the same, its just that the starter shaft is a little over size for that bearing, Nice heli just needs the odd tweek.

01-21-2011, 05:22 PM	#1
rekilf Registered Users Join Date: May 2009 Location: london	weird scratching noise when using starter can anyone help when i turn the engine over in my velo 50 it makes a weird scratching noise what could it be i have checked everything the problem still stays but when turned over by hand there is no noise i am stumped can anyone help.

01-21-2011, 10:41 PM	#4
crashagain Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Redding	I have had this happen twice to me. Once when I did not have the clutch bell assembly lined up correctly with the motor. The second time was after getting a new clutch, it had a bad one way bearing in it and made all kinds of noise no matter what I did for alignment. Had to put in a new bearing and it works great now.. __________________ Titan X50...Trex 600LE... Trex600NP...Trex700... more to come.....

01-22-2011, 08:45 AM	#6
sacko Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK	Yup, one way bearing. Had to change both of mine now on the Velo, not impressed at all. __________________ Trex 500ESP - Vbar v5, MKS 9660A, BLS251, Outrage Velocity 50 - Vbar v5, Futaba BLS 351, Outrage 9080, OS55 all @ 8v Kasama Srimok To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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ClayK Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: VA	Engine bearings Fan in the shroud, or shroud alignment Clutch bell alignment One-way bearing Gear mesh/alignment Those should be your typical culprits for noise in that area. __________________ Veni, Vidi, Velcro I came, I saw, I stuck around Bringing people out of Radio Shack and into the hobby. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. μολὼν λαβέ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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01-21-2011, 07:09 PM	#2
papaduke187 Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Freeville, NY	is the engine making the noise or is the noise coming from outside the engine?

01-21-2011, 08:36 PM	#3
kazager Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MD, USA	spin the clutch bell, I've heard that noise when the engine is too high. top of the clutch rubbing the inside top of the bell. otherwise maybe a slipping oneway bearing in the clutch?

01-22-2011, 05:07 AM	#5
rekilf Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: london	i have spun the clutch bell and cant hear anything its not the engine as i stripped it down before i fitted it and there was nothing wrong with it . i am gonna take it apart and check the oneway bearing again.

01-22-2011, 01:47 PM	#7
rekilf Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: london	check it over and yes yet again the oneway bearing had gone again so i have changed it and the noise has gone

01-22-2011, 04:41 PM	#8
kazager Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MD, USA	are you, or how are you, lubricating the clutch OWB? What starter and engine do you have? I had an Align starter and a KME 60 that was torching OWB's in the clutch, that starter spun too slow to handle the compression cycle (load-unload...) Once I switched to a stronger starter it no longer "hammered" the bearing.

01-23-2011, 04:19 PM	#9
rekilf Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: london	i am using tri flow grease and i am also using an align starter i the engine i have init is a ys 50

01-25-2011, 09:00 AM	#10
4 stroke flyer Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: dowagiac mi	I have the same heli and motor combo. I had what I believe is the same sound you are describing. It eventually got worse and I found that my main bearing in the engine was the problem.

02-06-2011, 03:43 PM	#12
sinbad50 Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Bedale North Yorkshire	You will fint the starter shaft is a little to tight in one way , picks the bearing up and makes it scream, Check to see the clutch is free when turning shaft, I turned my starter shaft down a size so that when its located in the one way it has a little play, aka Trex 600. Outrage say the "new one way" sorts it but thats a load of tosh as the part number on the bearing shell is the same, its just that the starter shaft is a little over size for that bearing, Nice heli just needs the odd tweek.