Jermo's DX7 Setup Video - Page 2

Finless · 02-16-2007, 08:59 PM

Well again this is what I have seen but actually it doesnt make sense! 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 does but this is odd.... If someone with a 601 or 611 that has a display and SHOWS the value in relation to value in the radio could help we would HAVE THE FACTS JACK....

Maybe ask someone on the forums what they see... the Trex600 forum might be a good place since most there use a 611. Or ask in the general forum. So we should really have the fact before telling someone what to do or state your not sure in the video....

Bob

Jermo · 02-16-2007, 10:15 PM

good point..I'll pose the request.
Jermo

maltydog · 02-17-2007, 08:01 AM

Excellent video and information. one small suggestion is to set your video camera to manual focus. that will prevent the ocassional in and out of focus. Again, you have done a great job. Version 2 is a big step forward. keep up the great work.

gw

Jermo · 02-17-2007, 08:49 AM

kewl..I'll look at that, it's a new camera so I'll look for the setting

If you have any suggestions/additions/corrections..etc let me know..
Jermo

glucoseboy · 02-17-2007, 01:26 PM

Hey Jermo,

Great Job, I really enjoyed and learned a lot from your video (especially the shortcut menu)

One suggestion regarding the input select screen. You mention in the video that you can select either Aux2 or Gear to serve as your gyro control channel. This is true only for folks that are using the AR7000. If you are using a AR6000 or AR6100, you have to use Gear (as they don't have an Aux2 channel)

Most folks could probably figure that out, but I think it would be helpful just to mention it in the video.

Again, Great Job, Very impressive first video.

Jermo · 02-17-2007, 02:15 PM

Ty Sir, awesum suggestion...

Just as a note: It's too windy for me to fly but I just had to do it anyway. At a setting of 62% on the Function Mode/Gyro Sens/0: setting the tail held in the wind 100%. It didn't weather vane at all. hehe...nearly lost the bird but ran two tests regardless. The tail is so solid I only had to worry about compensating for the wind..ie altitude and positiong (wind kept making me climb/dive and moving the heli back...so I had to add pitch/throttle and forward collective to get back to the yard..

Jermo

PBMAXX · 02-17-2007, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finless

Well again this is what I have seen but actually it doesnt make sense! 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 does but this is odd.... If someone with a 601 or 611 that has a display and SHOWS the value in relation to value in the radio could help we would HAVE THE FACTS JACK....

Maybe ask someone on the forums what they see... the Trex600 forum might be a good place since most there use a 611. Or ask in the general forum. So we should really have the fact before telling someone what to do or state your not sure in the video....

Bob

With my Gyro % at 82 on my DX7 my 601 shows 48.
Paul :glasses2:

Jermo · 02-17-2007, 09:14 PM

PB how do you see that?, that pretty much confirms the correct setting for 0: would be 64 to 66 or so to achieve 32% gain.
Jermo

PBMAXX · 02-17-2007, 09:24 PM

I'm not sure what you mean? When I set the DX7 at 82 % my screen on the 601 says G48a 5.8. When I click the DX7 Gyro increase/decrease the 601 changes by 2 digits at a time. Is that what you mean

Finless · 02-17-2007, 09:29 PM

Paul, first you should NEVER run a 601 or 611 at that high a gain! You will burn up your servo. 37% MAX man.....

If you could turn down your DX7 gain until the 6o1 display shows 36% and tell us what the radio says.

Bob

PBMAXX · 02-17-2007, 09:36 PM

I just did it as a test. Since the DX7 moves the 601 at 2 points at a time I can get 35 on the 601 at 74% on the DX7 or 37 on the 601 at 75% on the DX7

Paul :glasses2:

PBMAXX · 02-17-2007, 09:49 PM

Here's a picture

Paul :glasses2:

Jermo · 02-17-2007, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBMAXX

I'm not sure what you mean? When I set the DX7 at 82 % my screen on the 601 says G48a 5.8. When I click the DX7 Gyro increase/decrease the 601 changes by 2 digits at a time. Is that what you mean

that's exactly what I mean. wow..what's that display??
will you do me a favor? set 64 and 66 on the DX7 and tell me what your GY401 display shows as the gain.

I love that display.. I'll start redoing the gyro section asap.

I just looked at the display for your image and I'm confused.
at 1:2 DX7 to Gy401 a setting of 74% would be 24x2 or a gain of 48. The display shows 35. Regardless 74% is too high.
Jermo

R1Time · 02-17-2007, 10:00 PM

This is a great video!! I have the JR 7202 radio can I use this video for the set up?

Jermo · 02-17-2007, 10:04 PM

I'm not familiar with that radio but if the menu's are the same then you can. There is an error in the video. To get 32% gain in Heading Hold mode use 66% for the 0: setting and the 1: setting.
Jermo

Finless · 02-17-2007, 10:15 PM

OK then 1 step on the DX7 is 2 on the signal to the gyro. but if that is true then 60 on the DX7 should be 20 on the gyro.
e.g. 50 being 0 gain thus should be 50=0 so (60-50)*2=20.
70 on the DX7 should be 70-50*2=40... why doesnt that happen? Is my math wrong some how?

Let look at this another way.
50=0 gain. Every step = 2 gain right
So let look at 50 as 0 and just use 0
thus 60 in the radio is 10 right? but 2 steps should read 20.
70 in the radio = 20 right? but 2 steps should be 40...

This is not making sense to me how the JR radios or DX7 (it's a JR) allows you to know how much gain your are actually giving the gyro... It appears NOT to be linear!

Bob

PBMAXX · 02-17-2007, 10:15 PM

At 64% on the DX7 I get 19 on the GY601
At 66% on the DX7 I get 22 on the GY601

Might also help: To get zero on the 601 (before it starts counting backwards) the DX7 is at 52%
Paul :glasses2:

Finless · 02-17-2007, 10:18 PM

Hmmm THAT leads me to believe it is 1.5 steps not 2.

What does the gyro read at 70 on the DX7 please?

Paul you are using the gyro menu and AUX 2 not the end points on channel 5?

Bob

PBMAXX · 02-17-2007, 10:24 PM

I'm using the Gyro menu on the Gear channel on the DX7. I'm not touching the GY601. The reading at 70% on the DX7 is 29 on the GY601
Paul :glasses2:

Finless · 02-17-2007, 10:27 PM

Yep... forgiving a .5% then the DX7 is stepping at 1.5 on the gyro signal
70-50=20*1.5=30 (you got 29 which is close enough)

Paul... one other test please. WHAT is the end points of your GEAR channel? If 100% then it is 1.5. If more than that might effect the math.

Also do me a favor... change the gear channel to end points of 150 (max on the DX as I recall) and see if that changes how the gyro menu works.

Thanks for helping us out on this!

Bob

02-16-2007, 08:59 PM	#21
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stanton, Ca. USA	Well again this is what I have seen but actually it doesnt make sense! 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 does but this is odd.... If someone with a 601 or 611 that has a display and SHOWS the value in relation to value in the radio could help we would HAVE THE FACTS JACK.... Maybe ask someone on the forums what they see... the Trex600 forum might be a good place since most there use a 611. Or ask in the general forum. So we should really have the fact before telling someone what to do or state your not sure in the video.... Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

02-16-2007, 10:15 PM	#22
Jermo Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC USA	good point..I'll pose the request. Jermo __________________ Jerry Moore, AMA #878954, IRCHA #2988 Pantera .61bbc - Takes a licking and keeps on kicking! , Trex 500CF, MCPX V2 Readyheli BL Ok, you can fly...but can you HOVER?? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. KISS = Keep it simple stupid (to maximize fun and reduce costs!)

02-17-2007, 08:49 AM	#24
Jermo Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC USA	kewl..I'll look at that, it's a new camera so I'll look for the setting If you have any suggestions/additions/corrections..etc let me know.. Jermo __________________ Jerry Moore, AMA #878954, IRCHA #2988 Pantera .61bbc - Takes a licking and keeps on kicking! , Trex 500CF, MCPX V2 Readyheli BL Ok, you can fly...but can you HOVER?? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. KISS = Keep it simple stupid (to maximize fun and reduce costs!)

02-17-2007, 01:26 PM	#25
glucoseboy Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northern California	Hey Jermo, Great Job, I really enjoyed and learned a lot from your video (especially the shortcut menu) One suggestion regarding the input select screen. You mention in the video that you can select either Aux2 or Gear to serve as your gyro control channel. This is true only for folks that are using the AR7000. If you are using a AR6000 or AR6100, you have to use Gear (as they don't have an Aux2 channel) Most folks could probably figure that out, but I think it would be helpful just to mention it in the video. Again, Great Job, Very impressive first video. __________________ - TRex 450SE /AstroFlight 020 / Quark 33 / 11T / HS65HB / GY401 + FUT9650 / Spektrum DX7/6100

02-17-2007, 02:15 PM	#26
Jermo Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC USA	Ty Sir, awesum suggestion... Just as a note: It's too windy for me to fly but I just had to do it anyway. At a setting of 62% on the Function Mode/Gyro Sens/0: setting the tail held in the wind 100%. It didn't weather vane at all. hehe...nearly lost the bird but ran two tests regardless. The tail is so solid I only had to worry about compensating for the wind..ie altitude and positiong (wind kept making me climb/dive and moving the heli back...so I had to add pitch/throttle and forward collective to get back to the yard.. Jermo __________________ Jerry Moore, AMA #878954, IRCHA #2988 Pantera .61bbc - Takes a licking and keeps on kicking! , Trex 500CF, MCPX V2 Readyheli BL Ok, you can fly...but can you HOVER?? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. KISS = Keep it simple stupid (to maximize fun and reduce costs!)

02-17-2007, 08:01 AM	#23
maltydog Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: plano,tx	Excellent video and information. one small suggestion is to set your video camera to manual focus. that will prevent the ocassional in and out of focus. Again, you have done a great job. Version 2 is a big step forward. keep up the great work. gw

02-17-2007, 09:14 PM	#28
Jermo Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC USA	PB how do you see that?, that pretty much confirms the correct setting for 0: would be 64 to 66 or so to achieve 32% gain. Jermo __________________ Jerry Moore, AMA #878954, IRCHA #2988 Pantera .61bbc - Takes a licking and keeps on kicking! , Trex 500CF, MCPX V2 Readyheli BL Ok, you can fly...but can you HOVER?? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. KISS = Keep it simple stupid (to maximize fun and reduce costs!)

02-17-2007, 09:24 PM	#29
PBMAXX Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anaheim, California - USA	I'm not sure what you mean? When I set the DX7 at 82 % my screen on the 601 says G48a 5.8. When I click the DX7 Gyro increase/decrease the 601 changes by 2 digits at a time. Is that what you mean __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Spektrum DX7 Trex600, Hughes 500D W/Trex600 mech's To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. PicooZ, BCX2 I want to die in my sleep like Grandpa. Not yellin' and screamin' like the people in his car AMA 792875

02-17-2007, 09:29 PM	#30
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stanton, Ca. USA	Paul, first you should NEVER run a 601 or 611 at that high a gain! You will burn up your servo. 37% MAX man..... If you could turn down your DX7 gain until the 6o1 display shows 36% and tell us what the radio says. Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

02-17-2007, 09:36 PM	#31
PBMAXX Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anaheim, California - USA	I just did it as a test. Since the DX7 moves the 601 at 2 points at a time I can get 35 on the 601 at 74% on the DX7 or 37 on the 601 at 75% on the DX7 Paul :glasses2: __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Spektrum DX7 Trex600, Hughes 500D W/Trex600 mech's To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. PicooZ, BCX2 I want to die in my sleep like Grandpa. Not yellin' and screamin' like the people in his car AMA 792875

02-17-2007, 09:49 PM	#32
PBMAXX Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anaheim, California - USA	Here's a picture Paul :glasses2: __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Spektrum DX7 Trex600, Hughes 500D W/Trex600 mech's To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. PicooZ, BCX2 I want to die in my sleep like Grandpa. Not yellin' and screamin' like the people in his car AMA 792875

02-17-2007, 10:00 PM	#34
R1Time Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oakland,CA.,Seattle,WA.	This is a great video!! I have the JR 7202 radio can I use this video for the set up? __________________ 450 SE V1 3500KV AON HS65MG (cyclic & collective) GY401 / S9650 /rdlohr gyro mount JR XP7202 450 SE V1 430XL Align HS65MG (cyclic & collective) GY401 / S9650 /rdlohr gyro mount rdlohr Clear Fins CF boom Gorrilla Gear paddle/skid JR XP7202 TREX 600 Stock TREX 600 Full Bling

02-17-2007, 10:04 PM	#35
Jermo Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC USA	I'm not familiar with that radio but if the menu's are the same then you can. There is an error in the video. To get 32% gain in Heading Hold mode use 66% for the 0: setting and the 1: setting. Jermo __________________ Jerry Moore, AMA #878954, IRCHA #2988 Pantera .61bbc - Takes a licking and keeps on kicking! , Trex 500CF, MCPX V2 Readyheli BL Ok, you can fly...but can you HOVER?? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. KISS = Keep it simple stupid (to maximize fun and reduce costs!)

02-17-2007, 10:15 PM	#36
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stanton, Ca. USA	OK then 1 step on the DX7 is 2 on the signal to the gyro. but if that is true then 60 on the DX7 should be 20 on the gyro. e.g. 50 being 0 gain thus should be 50=0 so (60-50)2=20. 70 on the DX7 should be 70-502=40... why doesnt that happen? Is my math wrong some how? Let look at this another way. 50=0 gain. Every step = 2 gain right So let look at 50 as 0 and just use 0 thus 60 in the radio is 10 right? but 2 steps should read 20. 70 in the radio = 20 right? but 2 steps should be 40... This is not making sense to me how the JR radios or DX7 (it's a JR) allows you to know how much gain your are actually giving the gyro... It appears NOT to be linear! Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

02-17-2007, 10:18 PM	#38
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stanton, Ca. USA	Hmmm THAT leads me to believe it is 1.5 steps not 2. What does the gyro read at 70 on the DX7 please? Paul you are using the gyro menu and AUX 2 not the end points on channel 5? Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

02-17-2007, 10:24 PM	#39
PBMAXX Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anaheim, California - USA	I'm using the Gyro menu on the Gear channel on the DX7. I'm not touching the GY601. The reading at 70% on the DX7 is 29 on the GY601 Paul :glasses2: __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Spektrum DX7 Trex600, Hughes 500D W/Trex600 mech's To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. PicooZ, BCX2 I want to die in my sleep like Grandpa. Not yellin' and screamin' like the people in his car AMA 792875

02-17-2007, 10:27 PM	#40
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stanton, Ca. USA	Yep... forgiving a .5% then the DX7 is stepping at 1.5 on the gyro signal 70-50=201.5=30 (you got 29 which is close enough) Paul... one other test please. WHAT is the end points of your GEAR channel? If 100% then it is 1.5. If more than that might effect the math. Also do me a favor... change the gear channel to end points of 150 (max on the DX as I recall) and see if that changes how the gyro menu works. Thanks for helping us out on this! Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

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