Fun, Learning, Friendship and Mutual Respect
START  HERE


Unregistered
Go Back   HeliFreak > R/C Helicopter Support > Blade Helicopters (eFlite) > 300X


300X Blade 300X Helicopters Information and Help


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-17-2012, 10:46 AM   #1
tjkennedy
Registered Users
 
Posts: 129
 
My HF Map location
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Morristown, Tennessee
Default Beginner - Need some help with 300X setup

I have a Blade 130X and have been flying four a couple of months. I can now take off, fly around and land just about wherever I want to (with minimal “events”). I’m definitely not into any 3D yet and haven’t attempted it.

With the 130X I tamed down my throttle / pitch curves after some “trial-and-terror” which really helped.

When I got into this hobby (and it’s great) I also bought a 300X at the same time I purchased the 130X but haven’t taken it out of the box yet (wanted to get used to the 130X first). I now want to start doing some simple flying with the 300X.

Now to my question:

What should I set my DX6i settings to for the 300X in order to “tame it down” since I’m a beginner. I’ve attached the 130X settings I’m using on my DX6i.

1. What settings should I program to tame down the 300X?
2. What should the main blade pitch be adjusted to?
3. Any other suggestions on what I should do before my first flight?

I live in a place where I’m pretty much on my own and rely on this forum for just about all my information.

Any help is greatly appreciated!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	130X-DX6i-Settings.jpg
Views:	605
Size:	32.6 KB
ID:	350299  
tjkennedy is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2012, 10:53 AM   #2
Cujo22
Registered Users
 
Posts: 464
 

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Illinois
Default

Tame down the TC in IU to 75%. Recommended for woodies especially.

1) It flies pretty big (not so twitchy), you might not need to so much expo and such low D/R.

2) I would leave the settings stock

3) Check every screw, out of laziness, I didn't check the tail spindle screws and threw a grip. Make sure the blades are balanced.

Go fly it, it is very stable.
Cujo22 is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2012, 03:43 PM   #3
sn00p
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kent ENGLAND
Default

I run the simillar settings as you on your 130x on my MCPX. For the 300x I run 50% dr and 20% expo on ail/ele with 85% dr and 10% expo on the tail all the rest stock. You may want to start the pitch curve a little higher to remove some of the negative pitch when throttle is less than 50%. so 40,40,50, 75 ,100 or maybe as high as 45....

It's nice and tame this way. almost flies itself.

Last edited by sn00p; 09-18-2012 at 07:14 AM..
sn00p is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2012, 03:51 PM   #4
Brobbo
Registered Users
 
Posts: 111
 

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto, Canada
Default

When I come back for my landings I have it set at 75 dr with 25% expo. At this rate it's very docile and very easy to fly.
__________________
DX6i
Blade MSR
BLade mCPX
Blade 300x
Brobbo is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2012, 09:27 PM   #5
superjet112x
Registered Users
 
Posts: 2,532
 

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Richland ,Wa
Default

What thease guys are telling you, but if you want a more responsive heli run linear expo and 125% on elevator and aileron D/R
__________________
Trex 700n DFC Beast x...Trex 600n Beast x...
Trex 450 pro V2 DFC Beastx KDE XFC Ice lite 50
MCPXs'' HPO7..HPO5s..CO5m..V2 stock..Nano Cpx
Blade 300x Phoenix 25esc Park BEC Blade upgrades
Ducati Desmo 1/5 scale nitro superbike
superjet112x is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2012, 11:18 PM   #6
mixfisto
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: los angeles
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by superjet112x View Post
What thease guys are telling you, but if you want a more responsive heli run linear expo and 125% on elevator and aileron D/R
Superjet, question: if you set up the Bx so your cyclics are just barely not binding at fullthrow at 100%, won't going to 125% cause binding?...honest question
mixfisto is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 08:52 AM   #7
JustPlaneChris
Registered Users
 
Posts: 4,943
 
My HF Map location
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mixfisto View Post
Superjet, question: if you set up the Bx so your cyclics are just barely not binding at fullthrow at 100%, won't going to 125% cause binding?...honest question
I'm not Superjet, but I can answer the question.

No, it won't. With the BX, your endpoint adjustments do not control how far the servos move, they tell the unit how many degrees per second of movement you want. Control travel is set in the BX, then (just like a tail gyro) your endpoints adjust how responsive it is.

Make sense?
__________________
-Chris
JustPlaneChris is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 08:56 AM   #8
superjet112x
Registered Users
 
Posts: 2,532
 

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Richland ,Wa
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustPlaneChris View Post
I'm not Superjet, but I can answer the question.

No, it won't. With the BX, your endpoint adjustments do not control how far the servos move, they tell the unit how many degrees per second of movement you want. Control travel is set in the BX, then (just like a tail gyro) your endpoints adjust how responsive it is.

Make sense?
Thanx Chris, was going to say the same thing, when you set cyclic limit, the unit will never use all the movement
__________________
Trex 700n DFC Beast x...Trex 600n Beast x...
Trex 450 pro V2 DFC Beastx KDE XFC Ice lite 50
MCPXs'' HPO7..HPO5s..CO5m..V2 stock..Nano Cpx
Blade 300x Phoenix 25esc Park BEC Blade upgrades
Ducati Desmo 1/5 scale nitro superbike
superjet112x is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 12:31 PM   #9
mixfisto
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: los angeles
Default

Thanks guys, but I'm still a little confused. So say you set the cyclics at 125%.
This will make them more responsive to you stick movements? Or will it cause you to get to the endpoints more quickly?

I guess I'm having a brain-fart on this one

edit: I might have just gotten it... at 125%, you will have 25% more 'room' in your stick movements... a little like having a non-curved expo, if that makes any sense??
mixfisto is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 06:45 PM   #10
JustPlaneChris
Registered Users
 
Posts: 4,943
 
My HF Map location
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Default

Hmm, still not quite right. Try this:

Your endpoints in the radio simply tell the BX "I want x degrees of flip, roll, or yaw rate when I give max stick deflection". You want less maximum flip rate? Dial back the elevator endpoint. You want more maximum roll rate? Dial up aileron endpoint. You want a slower piro rate at full rudder stick? Dial back the rudder endpoint.

All of these are independent from the travel adjustments you set in the BX.

Sensitivity near neutral is a function of Expo, but to some degree is affected by the endpoints because overall it's more agile the higher the endpoints.
__________________
-Chris
JustPlaneChris is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 07:01 PM   #11
superjet112x
Registered Users
 
Posts: 2,532
 

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Richland ,Wa
Default

my roll and flip rates are really fast
__________________
Trex 700n DFC Beast x...Trex 600n Beast x...
Trex 450 pro V2 DFC Beastx KDE XFC Ice lite 50
MCPXs'' HPO7..HPO5s..CO5m..V2 stock..Nano Cpx
Blade 300x Phoenix 25esc Park BEC Blade upgrades
Ducati Desmo 1/5 scale nitro superbike
superjet112x is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 10:01 PM   #12
Uriah
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: TN, USA
Default

JustPlaneChris and superjet112x: This is a most informative thread - thanks for the information regarding D/R relating to the BX! I'm currently flying with 100% D/R and 0% expo (I presume 0% = linear?), but tomorrow I'm going to turn up my D/R a bit on aileron and elevetor to see if I can make my 300X do the hokey cokey and the hula.



As a follow up question... Does increasing the D/R past 100% on elevator and alieron have the potential of making "short travel" tic tocs a little easier (not sure what the correct term for that is)? I've heard that adjusting the pitch curves can help, such as something like 0-20-50-80-100 instead of the linear 0-25-50-75-100 I'm flying now. I have a hard time getting tic tocs to look good on the 130X, which I readily admit is probably a result of bad collective management; but my 300X's tic tocs still aren't very pretty either. It almost feels like the controls are not as responsive as they are on my simulator (Phoenix). Regardless, I know smaller helis have less hang time than larger helis, so that obviously makes tic tocs harder on a 300 vs a 500+ size model... But can you guys provide any thoughts regarding this and how I might improve my settings (or flying skills if that's really what the problem is)? I'm running a 100% flat throttle curve with CF blades from MicroHeli originally designed for the Blade SR. I'm currently using a linear pitch curve. I'm finding it frustrating that I can make consecutive piro flips look faily decent but not a stupid tic toc...

__________________
TEAM NOBAR (
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
)

TEAM FLYBAR
Uriah is online now        Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2012, 08:01 AM   #13
JustPlaneChris
Registered Users
 
Posts: 4,943
 
My HF Map location
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Default

Well, you're ahead of me when it comes to tic tocs, because I can't even make them look good on the sim!

If you think you want a bit more collective 'pop' you could try playing with your pitch curve in the transmitter, which can give you either a sharper or softer feel around zero pitch (depending on which way you adjust the curve). You could also just increase your overall collective range in the BeastX setup, which will make it seem more poppy with small stick movements. Of course you also run the risk of bogging it if you don't practice good collective management.

It's always a compromise.
__________________
-Chris
JustPlaneChris is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2012, 03:34 PM   #14
petedee
Registered Users
 
Posts: 2,792
 

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Canberra, Australia
Default

And to address the OP about setting it up to fly tamely I suggest dialing down the negative pitch a bit in IU "0" setting, you could dial it down to no negative pitch if you like so that as you set up for landing you switch from Idle Up to normal and even if you drop the throttle a bit too much you will not drive it into the ground.
__________________
TBS Discovery, TBS Discovery Pro
DX18,14SG
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
petedee is offline        Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
300x, beginner, dx6i, settings




Unregistered
Go Back   HeliFreak > R/C Helicopter Support > Blade Helicopters (eFlite) > 300X


300X Blade 300X Helicopters Information and Help

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Copyright © 2004-2011 - William James - Helifreak.com