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Old 10-04-2012, 08:50 PM   #41
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Hey I was interested in the black edition as well and received an email with some interesting news. The cost of the new black edition will be 450 (this is from skookum) it will also be released towards the end of October, possibly November. The GPS unit will be released before the new black edition and is currently ready to be released however they are still working on software issues. The goal is to have the gps released in the next couple of weeks. Again my information is literally from Skookum and I am just relaying what they have informed me of. Hope this helps.
LOL!!! Sarah that is exactly what skookum told me 2months ago!!! I already have 3 sk 720's but I needed another fbl unit and didn't want to wait. Well glad I didn't I would still be waiting instead of flying.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:39 AM   #42
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=] understandably, SK are protective of their innovative GPS systems, inverted position hold, a 2M hard deck may well be available at some point, I would trust 100% any delay in release is because perfectionists never settle for second best, no matter how hard you shout, they simply can't hear you?!!
The problem is that a perfect product will never exist, which could mean that the SK GPS module will not be available before a very long time.
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=] understandably, SK are protective of their innovative GPS systems, inverted position hold, a 2M hard deck may well be available at some point, I would trust 100% any delay in release is because perfectionists never settle for second best, no matter how hard you shout, they simply can't hear you?!!
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LOL!!! Sarah that is exactly what skookum told me 2months ago!!! I already have 3 sk 720's but I needed another fbl unit and didn't want to wait. Well glad I didn't I would still be waiting instead of flying.
I am still waiting and because of that I am not flying.

It is probably time to start flying again, this time with the second best option if the best one is not being released.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:40 AM   #44
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A 2m hard deck would be a game changer!
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:54 AM   #45
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The problem is that a perfect product will never exist, which could mean that the SK GPS module will not be available before a very long time.
=] reliability will always be key here.
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A 2m hard deck would be a game changer!
=] I would trust it!
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:48 PM   #47
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+1... it would change things, but I'm guessing 2 meter HD will not provide a feasible recovery from all possible situations. It would be pretty violent for sure.


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+1... it would change things, but I'm guessing 2 meter HD will not provide a feasible recovery from all possible situations. It would be pretty violent for sure.


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=] doesn't work like that, the soft deck calculates how much room there is before impact, the heli engages rescue mode prior to the hard deck threshold, this is one option, it's not designed to be aggressive, quite the opposite.

determined is how I would put it!
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Old 10-06-2012, 04:24 AM   #49
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That's a different option though georgi isn't it?

Even so, I've seen what my 600 can do. I think a "determined" recovery initiated at 2m would be able to recover almost anything. Despite weighing a lot, the power to weight ratio means physics don't seem to apply lol. The helicopter can be travelling forwards at 60mph then in the blink of an eye be travelling back the other way.

I think most people who would chose a 2m hard deck are fairly comfortable flying and unlikely to end up in a situation where they are screaming earthwards at a rate so fast that the system couldn't cope. More likely to just have dumb thumbed a manoeuvre which would easily be recoverable within 2m.

I agree 2m hard deck would be a game changer, absolutely. Most of my flying is done below 10m so the hard deck would be of limited value stuck at 8.
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=] doesn't work like that, the soft deck calculates how much room there is before impact, the heli engages rescue mode prior to the hard deck threshold, this is one option, it's not designed to be aggressive, quite the opposite.

determined is how I would put it!
I've wanted SK-GPS since it first was talked about. Now I'm sold!


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Old 10-06-2012, 07:42 AM   #52
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I am still waiting and because of that I am not flying.

It is probably time to start flying again, this time with the second best option if the best one is not being released.
I was feeling the same way, but in reality it's going to be Spring now before I would be able to play with GPS anyway.

If the unit is released by November (which I doubt), I still plan to wait and see the experiences of others before I buy. I'm sure there will be bugs and firware updates. This will take at least a couple months to iron out, so it will be Winter before I would even be purchasing anyway.

Maybe it will give me something to tinker with and hopefully I can be flying outfitted with GPS by March/April.

Second scenario is the unit comes out working flawless, because after all they have been testing for three years now! Everyone that purchases one claims no issues at all and then maybe I can get some flying in before Feb when it is the coldest where I live.

Even Apple with $600B and teams of geniuses can't turn out products with no issues or find them all in house before release, so this scenario despite the long testing time is likely zero. As you stated, if they want to get it perfect, then it will never be released. You have to get them into the hands of the masses to to truly see any issues that may come up.
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I thought the GPS was only for non 3D flying? Can a GPS sensor actually keep track of where it is exactly while it is spinning and flipping during 3D moves?
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I thought the GPS was only for non 3D flying? Can a GPS sensor actually keep track of where it is exactly while it is spinning and flipping during 3D moves?
A GPS only provides lat long alt heading and speed. The orientation will probably come from the sk gyros.

Of course I don't have a clue what's in the sk gps. I'm speaking about GPS receivers in general.
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A GPS only provides lat long alt heading and speed. The orientation will probably come from the sk gyros.

Of course I don't have a clue what's in the sk gps. I'm speaking about GPS receivers in general.
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They probably get position data at 10 Hz (or faster if they use a high-end commercial device) so it will track 3D but will have a slight lag.
 
 
They also have a 3-axis magnetometer for orientation. So you see that itís much more than just a simple GPS.
 
 
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They also have a 3-axis magnetometer for orientation. So you see that itís much more than just a simple GPS.
The magnetometer is in the GPS module?

So they have both a GPS and IMU in the same package. nice.
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I am just surprised that one can slam a heli around like a maniac and somehow these sensors will still be able to create a virtual deck. It really is amazing if it works.
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I am just surprised that one can slam a heli around like a maniac and somehow these sensors will still be able to create a virtual deck. It really is amazing if it works.
=] altitude is constantly being measured, it knows where the deck is!
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:06 PM   #59
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I just paided ~$300 for copilot + hard deck.
Toss in a FBL controller $250.

DJI NAZA - H is $350 but I'm not sure it has the same functions, but it could in a future release.

Think that would set $600 as the upper bounds. Would be nice if was lower.


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Just to set some things straight..
The NAZA GPS is dumb as toast.
It may hold the position, but there was no challenge to do so before.
It will fly back, but auto landing is far from perfect.
This here is DJIs REAL GPS solution
http://www.heliguy.com/Extras/Helico...s/DJI-Ace-One/
We are talking 2500 bucks and compared to this, Aligns 800 seem like a bargain.
So we all see Skookum as the perfectionists here, I really wonder how much better and cheaper than the Ace it can get.
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