Pyro Motors & Logo 600 SX

Trader · 12-09-2012, 03:44 PM

Hi!

What kind of Pyro motor (Pyro 700-520 or 700-450) do you suggest to buy for 12s LOGO 600 SX?

What is the best pyro's shaft size(may be Long shaft)?

Thanx,
Laci

dahld · 12-09-2012, 04:13 PM

For 12S the 450kv motor is more appropriate. And get the long shaft version, as it is needed for the use with the counter bearing.

(-: Dave

bavci_0655 · 12-10-2012, 02:59 AM

Counter bearing needs 34mm shaft. Pyro 700-52M has 32mm shaft. Long shaft version will be better but you have to cut the extra lenght to protect your lipos.

Kalpazan · 12-10-2012, 04:03 AM

bavci, this is what Mikado says about CB upgrade:

"Important note: This upgrade set works only in connection with a motor shaft 6mm x 32mm long."

Where did you see that 34mm shaft ?

bavci_0655 · 12-10-2012, 07:59 AM

I think 32mm is for old counterbearing. With new maingear and pinion, lenght of counterbearing is increased. I measured my motors (HKII-4225-500KV) shaft and it is 34mm. It fits perfect on counterbearing.

Kalpazan · 12-10-2012, 11:20 AM

I got the info from here:

http://shop.mikado-heli.de/LOGO-600-...&c=6573&p=6573

mkovalcson · 12-10-2012, 11:51 AM

Fingers crossed that the stock 32mm shaft fits well, as that would mean I could exchange motors with my TDR and get a Pyro 750 for my TDR

Hopefully Mikado has this correct on their website..

bavci_0655 · 12-10-2012, 12:39 PM

32mm will work but it will not completely seat in the bearing. I can attach a picture if you want.

Jays200 · 12-11-2012, 05:56 AM

I have the 700-45 long shaft with 12T. yes I had to cut 4-5 mm off the shaft.

78% for 2240HS with Helijive.

Kalpazan · 12-11-2012, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bavci_0655

32mm will work but it will not completely seat in the bearing. I can attach a picture if you want.

bavci, I believe you. But I recall I measured 32mm on my 4025-1100 and it seated fully into the CB so I wonder why it is not the same for you. Do you happen to use any shims ?

bavci_0655 · 12-11-2012, 08:15 AM

No shims. Maybe I measured wrong.

But counterbearing design changed due to thicker main gear and pinion. I looked at your pictures and my motor shaft is a little out of counterbearing, it is not like yours. So probably you are right.

Kalpazan · 12-11-2012, 10:02 AM

So, 32mm minimum but 34mm recommended

bavci_0655 · 12-11-2012, 10:11 AM

Yes, you are right.

Trader · 12-21-2012, 08:13 PM

Do you have any experience with Pyro 700-520 & 12S & 600SX setup?

Thanx,
Laci

TommyBear · 12-22-2012, 05:24 AM

Make sure you Order the long shaft version of the pyro 52. Perfect fitment for the SX third counter bearing. You will need to order the 11t mode 1 pinion as well.

Trader · 12-22-2012, 06:16 AM

Hello TommyBear!

Do you use this Pyro 700-52 in your Logo600SX with 11t on 12s setup?

I could buy this kind of new Pyro 700-52LS motor in good price for my LOGO 600sx, but lot of people suggest Pyro 700-45LS in 12s setup....

Thanx,
Laci

TommyBear · 12-22-2012, 07:34 AM

Yes I used the pyro 52 on my SX and the pyro 45 on my SE.

bavci_0655 · 12-22-2012, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trader

Hello TommyBear!

Do you use this Pyro 700-52 in your Logo600SX with 11t on 12s setup?

I could buy this kind of new Pyro 700-52LS motor in good price for my LOGO 600sx, but lot of people suggest Pyro 700-45LS in 12s setup....

Thanx,
Laci

There are some threads on this forum that people have gear stripping with this combo. I will suggest 12T with 700-45 motor. Main gear has more contact with this pinion. With lower KV, you will have less headspeed, but you don't need high headspeeds with a Logo.

Trader · 12-22-2012, 01:10 PM

Thank You For Your answers!

I am going to buy motor SOMEWHERE between 450-500 KV!

Peace,
Laci

TommyBear · 12-22-2012, 08:27 PM

Incorrect Meshing is what causes gear to strip. Never had a gear strip on my 11t pyro 52 jive Gov logos.
You should be able to run a 200 gsm paper between the gears without ripping. It is in the Mikado logo 600 3D manual.
With the SX 14mm main gear and pinion, it will be much harder to strip gears.

12-09-2012, 03:44 PM	#1
Trader Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hungary	Pyro Motors & Logo 600 SX Hi! What kind of Pyro motor (Pyro 700-520 or 700-450) do you suggest to buy for 12s LOGO 600 SX? What is the best pyro's shaft size(may be Long shaft)? Thanx, Laci

12-09-2012, 04:13 PM	#2
dahld Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, California, USA	For 12S the 450kv motor is more appropriate. And get the long shaft version, as it is needed for the use with the counter bearing. (-: Dave __________________ Kyle Dahl Sponsored by: Mikado, JR, Voltz/Thor, Scorpion, Edge Blades.

12-10-2012, 02:59 AM	#3
bavci_0655 Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Ankara, Turkey	Counter bearing needs 34mm shaft. Pyro 700-52M has 32mm shaft. Long shaft version will be better but you have to cut the extra lenght to protect your lipos. __________________ T-REX 600 EX [ Pyro 700-52M \| Scorpion Commander V 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ] LOGO 600 SX [ HKII-4225-500KV \| Scorp. Commander VI 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ]

12-10-2012, 04:03 AM	#4
Kalpazan Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Burgas, Bulgaria	bavci, this is what Mikado says about CB upgrade: "Important note: This upgrade set works only in connection with a motor shaft 6mm x 32mm long." Where did you see that 34mm shaft ? __________________ LOGO 400SE: ICE75, 500MX, DS510M+DS650, VBAR 5.3 PRO, EDGE 473, KBDD 72.5 LOGO 600SX: JIVE 100LV, HKIII-4025-1100, BLS451+BLS251, VBAR 5.3 PRO, EDGE 600, EDGE 95

12-10-2012, 07:59 AM	#5
bavci_0655 Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Ankara, Turkey	I think 32mm is for old counterbearing. With new maingear and pinion, lenght of counterbearing is increased. I measured my motors (HKII-4225-500KV) shaft and it is 34mm. It fits perfect on counterbearing. __________________ T-REX 600 EX [ Pyro 700-52M \| Scorpion Commander V 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ] LOGO 600 SX [ HKII-4225-500KV \| Scorp. Commander VI 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ]

12-10-2012, 11:20 AM	#6
Kalpazan Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Burgas, Bulgaria	I got the info from here: http://shop.mikado-heli.de/LOGO-600-...&c=6573&p=6573 __________________ LOGO 400SE: ICE75, 500MX, DS510M+DS650, VBAR 5.3 PRO, EDGE 473, KBDD 72.5 LOGO 600SX: JIVE 100LV, HKIII-4025-1100, BLS451+BLS251, VBAR 5.3 PRO, EDGE 600, EDGE 95

12-10-2012, 11:51 AM	#7
mkovalcson Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Knoxville, TN	Fingers crossed that the stock 32mm shaft fits well, as that would mean I could exchange motors with my TDR and get a Pyro 750 for my TDR Hopefully Mikado has this correct on their website.. __________________ . Henseleit TDR, Synergy E5, MSH PROTOS 500, 130X Jeti DS-16, Skookum SK-GPS

12-10-2012, 12:39 PM	#8
bavci_0655 Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Ankara, Turkey	32mm will work but it will not completely seat in the bearing. I can attach a picture if you want. __________________ T-REX 600 EX [ Pyro 700-52M \| Scorpion Commander V 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ] LOGO 600 SX [ HKII-4225-500KV \| Scorp. Commander VI 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ]

12-11-2012, 05:56 AM	#9
Jays200 Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia	I have the 700-45 long shaft with 12T. yes I had to cut 4-5 mm off the shaft. 78% for 2240HS with Helijive. __________________ Regards, Jayson *Logo Xxtreme 800 Silverline, Pyro 800-40L, Kosmik 200A, 14S, 157 & 256 @ 8v* *Logo 600SX, Silverline, Pyro 700-45L, Helijive, 12S, 272 & 256 @ 6v, 623, 105* Logo 400SE Mini Vbar, Mini Pyro 20-08, Jive 80+HV, 6S, 9660A+ 8900G @ 6v

12-11-2012, 08:15 AM	#11
bavci_0655 Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Ankara, Turkey	No shims. Maybe I measured wrong. But counterbearing design changed due to thicker main gear and pinion. I looked at your pictures and my motor shaft is a little out of counterbearing, it is not like yours. So probably you are right. __________________ T-REX 600 EX [ Pyro 700-52M \| Scorpion Commander V 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ] LOGO 600 SX [ HKII-4225-500KV \| Scorp. Commander VI 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ]

12-11-2012, 10:02 AM	#12
Kalpazan Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Burgas, Bulgaria	So, 32mm minimum but 34mm recommended __________________ LOGO 400SE: ICE75, 500MX, DS510M+DS650, VBAR 5.3 PRO, EDGE 473, KBDD 72.5 LOGO 600SX: JIVE 100LV, HKIII-4025-1100, BLS451+BLS251, VBAR 5.3 PRO, EDGE 600, EDGE 95

12-11-2012, 10:11 AM	#13
bavci_0655 Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Ankara, Turkey	Yes, you are right. __________________ T-REX 600 EX [ Pyro 700-52M \| Scorpion Commander V 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ] LOGO 600 SX [ HKII-4225-500KV \| Scorp. Commander VI 130A OPTO \| VBar 5.3 Pro \| BLS255HV & BLS256HV ]

12-21-2012, 08:13 PM	#14
Trader Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hungary	Do you have any experience with Pyro 700-520 & 12S & 600SX setup? Thanx, Laci

12-22-2012, 05:24 AM	#15
TommyBear Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Australia	Make sure you Order the long shaft version of the pyro 52. Perfect fitment for the SX third counter bearing. You will need to order the 11t mode 1 pinion as well. __________________ Silverline VBAR 5.3 PRO : TDRs - LOGO 700 XXTREME 600SX 600SE - Whiplash - FAIFA SRIMOK

12-22-2012, 06:16 AM	#16
Trader Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hungary	Hello TommyBear! Do you use this Pyro 700-52 in your Logo600SX with 11t on 12s setup? I could buy this kind of new Pyro 700-52LS motor in good price for my LOGO 600sx, but lot of people suggest Pyro 700-45LS in 12s setup.... Thanx, Laci

12-22-2012, 07:34 AM	#17
TommyBear Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Australia	Yes I used the pyro 52 on my SX and the pyro 45 on my SE. __________________ Silverline VBAR 5.3 PRO : TDRs - LOGO 700 XXTREME 600SX 600SE - Whiplash - FAIFA SRIMOK

12-22-2012, 01:10 PM	#19
Trader Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hungary	Thank You For Your answers! I am going to buy motor SOMEWHERE between 450-500 KV! Peace, Laci

12-22-2012, 08:27 PM	#20
TommyBear Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Australia	Incorrect Meshing is what causes gear to strip. Never had a gear strip on my 11t pyro 52 jive Gov logos. You should be able to run a 200 gsm paper between the gears without ripping. It is in the Mikado logo 600 3D manual. With the SX 14mm main gear and pinion, it will be much harder to strip gears. __________________ Silverline VBAR 5.3 PRO : TDRs - LOGO 700 XXTREME 600SX 600SE - Whiplash - FAIFA SRIMOK

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